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1996-07-16 03:06Danny Wolfers>Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know someone will) but didn't Autechre >make their early s

From:: Danny Wolfers <danwolfe@xs4all.nl>
To:: AIMEE C MERRITT <amerritt@library.ucla.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:06:55 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground

quoted 2 lines Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know someone will) but didn't Autechre

>Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know someone will) but didn't Autechre >make their early stuff with only a drum machine and a sampler?

The very early stuff [also some on Incunabula] was made with an R8 drummachine, a Yamaha DX100 synth, Juno 106 synth, 202 box & TR606 beatbox + 2 Casio toy samplers.(SK-1 or 5). All very cheap. [at that time]. Later they added their EPS16+ sampler. (Which they used to the fullest on Amber) Bye. Danwolfe@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~danwolfe

1996-07-16 18:50Jon Drukman>>Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know someone will) but didn't Autechre >>make their early

From:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
To:: Intensely Dull Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:50:25 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground

quoted 6 lines Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know someone will) but didn't Autechre

>>Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know someone will) but didn't Autechre >>make their early stuff with only a drum machine and a sampler? > >The very early stuff [also some on Incunabula] was made with an R8 >drummachine, a Yamaha DX100 synth, Juno 106 synth, 202 box & TR606 beatbox + >2 Casio toy samplers.(SK-1 or 5). All very cheap. [at that time].

Juno 106: $200 MC202: $250 (when it was cheap, now they're up in the $700 range) TR606: $100 (when it was cheap) R8: $200 (deal of the century) DX100: $150 those are some very optimistic prices and i'm not even counting the casio samplers. assume a $100 mixer to tie it all together. that's already over $1000 and we're not even counting the wires, blank tapes and some sort of tape machine to record it all. i'll be generous and assume they didn't even OWN a DAT and instead rented one from a store when they needed it. hidden costs may include: amp, speakers, effects, compressor... i bought all of those pieces cheap and it still cost about $1000. even furniture can cost you. i paid $600 for a super deluxe desk (omnirax prostation) with built in rack spaces, stands for the speakers, a slide out tray for my computer keyboard... and i got a deal, the piece usually sells for $800. being serious about music costs serious money, don't let anybody kid you.

quoted 2 lines Later they added their EPS16+ sampler. (Which they used to the fullest on

>Later they added their EPS16+ sampler. (Which they used to the fullest on >Amber)

$800. plus you'd probably want a SCSI hard disk to use with it. jon's fun music pricing fact: my sampler cost more than my computer, and i still need to buy more RAM for the sampler... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------

1996-07-16 19:46mallenOn Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Jon Drukman wrote: > even furniture can cost you. i paid $600 for a s

From:: mallen <annwn@zipnet.com>
To:: Intensely Dull Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:46:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: (idm) the cost of music
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 4 lines even furniture can cost you. i paid $600 for a super deluxe desk (omnirax

> even furniture can cost you. i paid $600 for a super deluxe desk (omnirax > prostation) with built in rack spaces, stands for the speakers, a slide out > tray for my computer keyboard... and i got a deal, the piece usually sells > for $800.

why buy when you can build? a rack system is rather easily hacked together with modular metal shelving (rapistan is one of the companies that come to mind when i think of it) ... when or if you dont have the money for something there is always a way around it if you really really want to do it ... right now everything im doing music wise is either on hacked together or borrowed equipment... you would be amazed at the sounds you can get with a fourtrack recorder and shareware ... it also forces one to be very creative .. if you have a sound in your head how do you get it out without 10K worth of equipment? well .. you improvise and what you do get out might not be what you want ... but often it can open new doors on how to create and what to create .. so when the day comes that the basement of my house is a recording studio ill have that many more ways to assualt the sounds in my head ... annwn@zipnet.com | image | sound | movement | ||||||||||||||||||||||||| you can stop us by simply saying stop ||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||| but keep in mind if you say stop ||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||| its all over its all over ||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||| thats where it stops ||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.zipnet.com/annwn/ |||||||||||

1996-07-16 21:14C. DesmariasOn Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Jon Drukman wrote: > those are some very optimistic prices and i'm no

From:: C. Desmarias <cid@u.washington.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 5 lines those are some very optimistic prices and i'm not even counting the casio

> those are some very optimistic prices and i'm not even counting the casio > samplers. assume a $100 mixer to tie it all together. that's already over > $1000 and we're not even counting the wires, blank tapes and some sort of > tape machine to record it all. i'll be generous and assume they didn't > even OWN a DAT and instead rented one from a store when they needed it.

A piece of advice: for a lo-cost alternative to owning a DAT, use your hi-fi 4-head VCR instead.. provides a low-noise, hi-quality recording method - and a pack of 6 hour tapes costs around $10 on sale. Cid.

1996-07-16 22:05Eric FransOn Tue, 16 Jul 1996, C. Desmarias wrote: } A piece of advice: for a lo-cost alternative to

From:: Eric Frans <franse@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
To:: C. Desmarias <cid@u.washington.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:05:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, C. Desmarias wrote: } A piece of advice: for a lo-cost alternative to owning a DAT, use your } hi-fi 4-head VCR instead.. provides a low-noise, hi-quality recording } method - and a pack of 6 hour tapes costs around $10 on sale. This is true. My brother used to make mix tapes using video tapes instead of normal audio tapes and the sound quality was great. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Eric Frans :: franse@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

1996-07-17 23:17Mark KolmarI've tried several VHS decks (maybe 8mm or Beta does better), and even the top-of-the-line

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@ccs.nslsilus.org>
To:: C. Desmarias <cid@u.washington.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:17:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Keep Music Underground

I've tried several VHS decks (maybe 8mm or Beta does better), and even the top-of-the-line Mitsubishi gives more distortion and noise than a decent cassette deck. --Mark On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, C. Desmarias wrote:

quoted 16 lines On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Jon Drukman wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Jon Drukman wrote: > > > those are some very optimistic prices and i'm not even counting the casio > > samplers. assume a $100 mixer to tie it all together. that's already over > > $1000 and we're not even counting the wires, blank tapes and some sort of > > tape machine to record it all. i'll be generous and assume they didn't > > even OWN a DAT and instead rented one from a store when they needed it. > > A piece of advice: for a lo-cost alternative to owning a DAT, use your > hi-fi 4-head VCR instead.. provides a low-noise, hi-quality recording > method - and a pack of 6 hour tapes costs around $10 on sale. > > Cid. > > >

(idm) the cost of music